Hammer and Pickle
10:45 Wed Feb 1
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Goodness, gracious me!
Jesus, Mary and Joseph!
Who might this poster be?
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mallard
10:43 Wed Feb 1
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He’s still here, just more angrier
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Hammer and Pickle
10:40 Wed Feb 1
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I distinctly recall that at the time Bilić gave Rice the break into the 1st XI, there were WHO posters, or perhaps there was just the one, who deemed Rice nothing but "a squad player".
I wonder what that poster is doing now?
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
9:53 Wed Feb 1
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Yes. Ashby and all the others are every bit as good as Declan Rice and will without question become world class players and international regulars, so should certainly have been introduced into the team in exactly the same way as him. Anyone who suggests otherwise knows nothing about football and has definitely lost the argument.
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marty feldman
9:22 Wed Feb 1
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Ashby was probably our best player against the vermin. With the exception of rice . In that carabao cup quarter final . The Nancy boys took the lead and never looked like surrendering it . in the 2nd half despite us dominating possession
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Hammer and Pickle
7:40 Wed Feb 1
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onsideman 7:14 Wed Feb 1
Sorry - didn’t see your post and of course I fully agree.
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Hammer and Pickle
7:36 Wed Feb 1
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“The first XI compete in the PL. That is not the place to be giving trials to young footballers”
That’s certainly the way Moyes sees it. Rice was lucky to break into the 1st XI when he did otherwise he’d have been nothing but a squad player and probably sold on long ago.
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onsideman
7:14 Wed Feb 1
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero 4:28 Wed Feb 1
What is the first XI? Do you know, because Moyes doesn't appear to
And who's talking about trials? Maybe if Bilic hadn't trusted Rice at age 18 he'd have fucked off too
Knowing Moyes he'll point at bringing Mipo on at Old Trafford and having to sub him off again as a reason for not trusting youth
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Russ of the BML
5:35 Wed Feb 1
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ATHammer 5:26 Wed Feb 1
I have heard through a friend involved at the club and is a very good source that recently Moyes attitude and approach to the youth team has been questioned as it is abysmal. Apparently its caused a stir as its been from people quite high up. Without naming names he implied Noble and Warburton.
Rumour has it that there are youth players at the club that Moyes hasn't even spoken to.
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ATHammer
5:26 Wed Feb 1
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No one under the age of 22 has played a full game for us this year. Tells you something is wrong. Either the academy sucks (and their results do not suggest that it does); progression management of young talent doesn't happen or the manager simply ignores them. Ashby going is another symptom, the real issue is the stewardship and ambition of the club.
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Russ of the BML
5:23 Wed Feb 1
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*screams of A LACK OF A proper pathway....
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Russ of the BML
5:22 Wed Feb 1
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Players will always come and go, young or old.
We won't even know if Moyes rated Ashby. He never mentioned him and never played him enough. His actions tell you he never rated him. But, then, that's the problem isn't it? Moyes appears to have no clue about any player. He doesn't play our best offensive player in Benrahma. He hasn't given Downes a proper period of playing time in the side. He played Paqueta out of position for 10 games. He still thinks Antonio is our best striker. How can anything Moyes says or does be taken seriously?
And what concerns me is why has Eddie Howe sanctioned this transfer? He must see something in Ashby to take him to a flying high Newcastle. And if Howe rates him why doesn't Moyes.
I do agree with some that young players leaving screams of a proper pathway and development route to the first team. But I believe moreso that Ashby had no respect for Moyes and saw his future being best planned out away from Moyes.
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Percy Dalton
5:15 Wed Feb 1
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At least Redknapp used to watch the youngsters matches I doubt if Moyes has ever watched any of the two academy teams
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BRANDED
4:39 Wed Feb 1
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The first XI should set out to beat the other first XI
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Lee Trundle
4:35 Wed Feb 1
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"18-year-old forward Divin Mubama’s three-minute cameo against Arsenal on December 26 is the only instance of a player under the age of 22 appearing in the league for West Ham this season."
Looks like the club is adopting Surfs tactic, anyway. And it seems to be working out so well for us....
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
4:28 Wed Feb 1
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The first XI compete in the PL. That is not the place to be giving trials to young footballers.
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Hammer and Pickle
4:17 Wed Feb 1
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This sale of young talent before adequate opportunity has been offered in the first XI merely confirms we are a club with no football strategy. Young talent with ambition is not in the picture, which is all about squad players getting flogged in the window. I'm sure this is going down very well indeed at Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham.
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southbankbornnbred
3:30 Wed Feb 1
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Surface - yep, agree with that, fella.
There's always more that unites us than divides us. And that should be West Ham.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
3:15 Wed Feb 1
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SBBB
OK, I think we have some common ground.
We can't just rely on est London and Essex any more. The genie is out of the bottle there and Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham aren't going to just stop scouting there - ffs Man U illegally poached David Beckham from that area 40 years ago. I agree, though, that the UK and Ireland should be our primary focus.
I do agree with you that I personally have no emotional investment in any kid brought in from overseas. However, I suspect we will still be going out there in order to compete with the big boys, who we probably rightly, if we have ambition, see as our peers.
We do have a USP. 'We are a big club, but not so big that can't make it with us'. However, and especially with a manager like Moyes, but let's not forget, how it was with Nobes and BFF and Rio and Glen and the like, the road probably goes through loan periods at other clubs. You've got to pull up some trees elsewhere before you're going to get near the first team.
Of course the road almost always leads to rejection and disappointment, but that's right and proper. You can't have players on £300k p/w if everyone makes it. Once you have the kids signed you have to drum that into them quite quickly.
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Crassus
3:14 Wed Feb 1
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On the subject of locating future players it is notable that their discovery is not proportionate to the population of the area scouted - by which I mean that certain areas are 'hot beds' of talent
I read a while back that Wenger had an edge when he came to Arsenal because he was aware of the Parisian banlieues. The article went on to detail the ludicrously high number of French/Global stars that came from that one area, they won a WC with 7/8 from memory
Interestingly enough, it went on to say that Wenger identified Croydon cage football as the font of English talent so admired across Europe
With that in mind, specifically with diverse ethnicity being a key component, I tend to go along with Bank in that there has to be mileage in establishing ourselves on home turf in East London
Interesting subject chaps
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RBshorty
3:09 Wed Feb 1
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Whoever buys us out. Will be looking to push us on the global market.
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